Change to matchday/streaming - TRIAL

So after a poor couple of days to the season start, with the lack of decent streams available we will be trialling the Your e-sports system for match-days.

We will trial the system for 2 weeks - so 4 match-days - and then we will then either decide to revert back to the old system (used for the first 2 match-days) or continue with this system. We will keep the same schedule for games, with things such as the wildcard system still in place.

The match-day schedule will consist of this:

There will be two top-matches: a Division 2 top-match at 20:30 BST and a Division 1 top-match at 21:00 BST. These top-matches will be streamed. A high quality streamer with enthusiastic high quality commentators will be used to stream both the games.

The 4 other games (providing none are wild-carded) that take place on that match day will happen at 20:00 BST. They will not be streamed.

Captains will need to find their own hosts. A selection of match admins should be online so there should be no problems having neutral admins available, even if a few are playing games during that time. Captains should ask admins at the time of the game and we will provide an admin.

Please note: Times of the games can be changed without a wildcard, as long as the game day does not change. However, both captains must agree and must both contact admins. The re-arranged times cannot be at the same time as either of the top-matches.

If you have any questions, please post it here in this thread.

How will the Division 1 and 2 top matches be chosen?

Also imo, we should meet in the middle, streaming 2+ matches per division but not all of them.

I can stream? I remember the quality of mine was good.

mlfaijati wrote:How will the Division 1 and 2 top matches be chosen?

Also imo, we should meet in the middle, streaming 2+ matches per division but not all of them.

Admins will decide the top-match. If we were to continue this on after the trial, every team will have been the top match fairly - no one team will be made the top matches every time for example. Only one per division will be streamed 1) to make it easier to organise and 2) to gain more interest in the streams.

MoMo wrote:I can stream? I remember the quality of mine was good.

We'll try out people to see who have the best stream

Can we have the replays all posted in a nice archived thread then please? I'll need to be able to access them easily.

guten tag.

I think this will work out alot better and be alot easier.

I don't mind streaming when I'm not being used as host bitch. Just need to be talked through by someone

Rachel wrote:Can we have the replays all posted in a nice archived thread then please? I'll need to be able to access them easily.

+1

MoMo wrote:

Rachel wrote:Can we have the replays all posted in a nice archived thread then please? I'll need to be able to access them easily.

+1

+2


Do it Joe, come on bro, about time you did some work mate.

So when our game is about to start, we need to just ask someone in chat foor a host ye?

Finding a host is up to you, and you need a neutral match admin that us admins agree on, so you must ask us for a match admin before the game. If you get somebody to admin without consulting us then the result may become void and you may be punished

ok, sounds like there could possibly be problems with that, any chance of possibly an admin stepping in if no-one has found a host








possibly.

It really isn't difficult to find a host, players on either team can also host if the opposition captain agrees.

Also: https://feedmehaxball.forumotion.co.uk/t2271-match-replay-archive#24498

Question regarding this, would you prefer regular games at 20:00 BST and top matches 20:30 and 21:00 respectively?

Some teams may want to prefer 30 mins before their games for example

Joehan wrote:Question regarding this, would you prefer regular games at 20:00 BST and top matches 20:30 and 21:00 respectively?

Some teams may want to prefer 30 mins before their games for example

I'd prefer that one.

I don't see why we need to change it. I think the lack of streamers is because nobody has really been shown how to. I know the quality's not always amazing, but it's nice watching the games and chatting about it etc, and just watching one game per division wouldn't be as good.

Cam_Sampbell wrote:I don't see why we need to change it. I think the lack of streamers is because nobody has really been shown how to. I know the quality's not always amazing, but it's nice watching the games and chatting about it etc, and just watching one game per division wouldn't be as good.

We've taken that into account, but considering how it was difficult for us admins to sort out every game when there's complications and people bothering us with questions about streams and whatnot, it would be much easier to do it this way. Also it makes the top-match extra special as much more people will watch.

Joehan wrote:

Cam_Sampbell wrote:I don't see why we need to change it. I think the lack of streamers is because nobody has really been shown how to. I know the quality's not always amazing, but it's nice watching the games and chatting about it etc, and just watching one game per division wouldn't be as good.

We've taken that into account, but considering how it was difficult for us admins to sort out every game when there's complications and people bothering us with questions about streams and whatnot, it would be much easier to do it this way. Also it makes the top-match extra special as much more people will watch.

This point has been raised countless times, if you feel there's not enough admins to cope with the workload: more admins.

There's plenty of trustworthy competent people who'd be willing to help.

You could even have it like a Pyramid scheme, have your current 5 "website" admins who deal with day-to-day business, and the overall running of the league, then have 4-5 "matchday admins" who deal with arranging games on matchdays and dealing with questions, making sure everything goes smoothly.

I reckon that if a thread was made showing people how to do livestreams, you could get enough people to do each game easily, and it'd help integrate people into the community more etc. It's seemed fine in the past, and there are more people in the community who might be able to do it than last season...

We're trailing this method anyway, so the argument is void until 2 weeks from now.

However I want to know people's opinions on this:

Joehan wrote:Question regarding this, would you prefer regular games at 20:00 BST and top matches 20:30 and 21:00 respectively?

Some teams may want to prefer 30 mins before their games for example

#SayNO2YeS

I do like the fact that we try to stream as much as possible - in terms of streamers we only need a few really and I'm sure if we try we can easily get that. (I can try to post a thread instructing people how to stream so we can get more)

In terms of admins just let captains sort the games out themselves like YeS if you want - I think for the community the main thing people want is to be able watch the streams.

Well if we're going to trial this system, wouldn't it change our game times for the next 4 match days?

Joehan wrote:Question regarding this, would you prefer regular games at 20:00 BST and top matches 20:30 and 21:00 respectively?

Some teams may want to prefer 30 mins before their games for example

^^

socrates wrote:I do like the fact that we try to stream as much as possible - in terms of streamers we only need a few really and I'm sure if we try we can easily get that. (I can try to post a thread instructing people how to stream so we can get more)

In terms of admins just let captains sort the games out themselves like YeS if you want - I think for the community the main thing people want is to be able watch the streams.

^^

Yeah ovo

Slightly edited times

oke doke, well we're not playing any time soon anyway so just wondering xD

Should have a poll imo

I can host/stream in about 2/3 weeks

I can do that too soon ^^, just need to get my pay cheque in august then buy that shit xD

It's a trial

Nobody ever said it was permanent.. seriously

I meant for perm streaming and hosting, mate seriously, drop the attitude, getting a bit too big for your own boots

Why trial it if there's so much opposition already?

Joe's changed

OvoXo wrote:I meant for perm streaming and hosting, mate seriously, drop the attitude, getting a bit too big for your own boots

l0l

Theres no need for a trail imo, just an effort to actually try out streamers, get an organised system and hit the GO button. We got 500+ members who are willing to do whatever to contribute to this community in whatever way, we don't need to go to another organisation 2 ask for help.. but w/e u do is probs for the best so go ahead i guess

Ovo, talking about attitude? I wasn't even directing the comment at you.

I may have seemed like a bit of a twat in my previous post so I'll try to answer everyone properly here:

It's not just lack of streamers but it's also lack of people watching the streams. I don't think viewing figures have hit 10 for any single game for a long time now, discounting things like cup and play-off finals.

Rachel wrote:

This point has been raised countless times, if you feel there's not enough admins to cope with the workload: more admins.

There's plenty of trustworthy competent people who'd be willing to help.

I can only really think of one person who would be both trustworthy enough and competent enough to be a proper admin, but that's not really for me to decide seeing as I've only been an admin for a short amount of time.

Cam_Sampbell wrote:Why trial it if there's so much opposition already?

The only real opposition I've heard is from you, momo and soc, other people before in the thread have agreed to it and so have various admins in Granddad talk and the like. I think there should be a trial because we can judge it based on that - this is by no means permanent and if people and us admins don't like it we'll happily go back to the old method. I'm sorry if anybody opposes it but there's no real harm in trying it, is there?

Joe spare me pls

Edited my post up two ^^

cba

OvoXo wrote:I won't lie, but I don't watch every game that's being streamed and the ones I do want to watch well with this system there is a chance it won't get streamed.

Point is I'm not going to bother watching replays. That's just fucking long.

Well the top-matches will most likely be the ones that the community wants, it'll be decided on potential interest, potential excitement and various other factors, so there'll be a decent chance it'll be the game you do want to watch (a third of all games will be streamed remember)

when did I write this?

The point of a trial is to see if it works. If it doesn't we switch back, if it works better than the existing format we keep it. I don't see what the point of even debating it is, we will get guaranteed results based on the trial and it can be discussed once the results are in. The existing system is clearly not working at the minute, we barely have stream viewers because those not involved in the games are either practising or discussing tactics, and the streams themselves are below par in regards to quality and content.

This way we can almost guarantee the highest quality streamer(if they aren't playing) and we can dedicate a proper commentary team to it. And like we say, if it doesn't work and there are more problems it doesn't continue.

End of.



On the side subject of admins. That's not a problem, we have our day-to-day guys and we have a list of capable people who can deal with match day stuff, they know who they are it's just delegating tasks that needs to be more efficient. Might set up a sub forum for the match day guys so it's easier for us to communicate and sort stuff out.

OvoXo wrote:I meant for perm streaming and hosting, mate seriously, drop the attitude, getting a bit too big for your own boots

At least he has boots

Ghost wrote:T The existing system is clearly not working at the minute, we barely have stream viewers because those not involved in the games are either practising or discussing tactics, and the streams themselves are below par in regards to quality and content.

My streams are fantastic I'll have you know and I get 100s of viewers

That's when you are doing your dirty dancing shows, yeah? I know I'm a paid subscriber.


On the serious for a sec, Soc you think you can do one of the stream guides please? Never touched twitch/streamer thing before myself so it might even be useful for me too.

If you think you have enough admins and all are pulling their weight, then can we have less of the attitude from Joehan when he has to organise "everything"? It's hardly fair he's taking it out on people in match rooms.

shut up rachel

+1 ^