For the Nations Cup, simply put, would you embrace a North and a South England team?

My argument FOR:

England has a much larger volume of players, and there is at least 10 quality English players who could walk into a Division 1 side, do you really want these players left OUT of a competition such as this?

North + South divide only adds 5 more players but it splits the country into two and there's much less players eligible for a single team.

This isn't football, this is an online flash game - we're here to have fun. Our rules do not in any way associate with Football, which is a worldwide sport involving millions and has official Associations policing individual countries' leagues and competitions. Surely splitting the country into a North/South divide is better for the competition?

As for the non-English players arguing it gives England two chances to win, this is irrelevant. We wouldn't be England, We'd be North England and South England.

As a Northerner, I wouldn't want South England to win any more than Scotland or Ireland. We'd still be competing against each other with the same competetive values if not even more elevated by us being neighbours. I'd say the competition between North/South is much greater and interesting than England vs Scotland.

DISCUSS.

ye, more people can be involved atleast

WHAT HAVE I DONE?

Yes, more people can be involved and as a scot I'm all for englands good players being split.

Divide and conquer

Rachel is Trolling

OvoXo wrote:Rachel is Trolling

Nope, for once I'm being mature and I feel like the reasons I gave are pretty valid. I haven't seen a valid reason against the split that's not childish. Care to provide?

I say no to the split. Reasons being.......

Along with this, like the rugby nations, there should just be ireland, instead of being split in two.
No irish person will want the 2 teams while the only 2 from the north are both irish and will both refuse to play on northern ireland.

Tbh I say scrap this tournament and move onto season 3.
1. Not everyone has to participate for their countries.
2. Once a certain nation has won they gain the *right* to be cocky and say their country is better rarara and it will cause conflict.
3. Too much tension and segregation in the league will occur.
4. This is a Haxball community and we should stick to that, leave nationality, religion, etc... all that bullshit out of it.
5. If ya want create a cup and create your own customised teams and play like that.
6. But we all know comparing countries will lead to abuse, hatred and all the negative stuff.
7. Scrap the cup.

OvoXo wrote:Tbh I say scrap this tournament and move onto season 3.
1. Not everyone has to participate for their countries.
2. Once a certain nation has won they gain the *right* to be cocky and say their country is better rarara and it will cause conflict.
3. Too much tension and segregation in the league will occur.
4. This is a Haxball community and we should stick to that, leave nationality, religion, etc... all that bullshit out of it.
5. If ya want create a cup and create your own customised teams and play like that.
6. But we all know comparing countries will lead to abuse, hatred and all the negative stuff.
7. Scrap the cup.

Will it bollocks lead to abuse. It'll lead to banter, but that's about it.

opc wrote:

OvoXo wrote:Tbh I say scrap this tournament and move onto season 3.
1. Not everyone has to participate for their countries.
2. Once a certain nation has won they gain the *right* to be cocky and say their country is better rarara and it will cause conflict.
3. Too much tension and segregation in the league will occur.
4. This is a Haxball community and we should stick to that, leave nationality, religion, etc... all that bullshit out of it.
5. If ya want create a cup and create your own customised teams and play like that.
6. But we all know comparing countries will lead to abuse, hatred and all the negative stuff.
7. Scrap the cup.

Will it bollocks lead to abuse. It'll lead to banter, but that's about it.

Bro not everyones Sense of humour is the same

opc is irish btw

The whole point of a NATIONS cup it's that it is represented by whole nations and not country's being split up. Your argument about there being lots of players for England and there should be two teams is pointless to take part in a nations tournament you have to be the best of what's available that's what makes the tournament good so your point of letting england split will make it a better tournament is invalid. Having more players should be seen as an advantage as you have a better pool of players to choose from you want to split that up putting england at a disadvantage.

Also North England and South England = England so no your point is irrelevant.

And for the last point your are just talking shit

Aye aidan. I dont understand it. Theres no reason to do so. Surely that would be a regional english cup then?

Cathalio11 wrote:Aye aidan. I dont understand it. Theres no reason to do so. Surely that would be a regional english cup then?

Not at all, it's allowing more people to play, making it more representative and there is genuine rivalry between the two areas.

Cam_Sampbell wrote:

Cathalio11 wrote:Aye aidan. I dont understand it. Theres no reason to do so. Surely that would be a regional english cup then?

Not at all, it's allowing more people to play, making it more representative and there is genuine rivalry between the two areas.

I'm sure Scotland would rather play England than Northern England.

Donny wrote:

Cam_Sampbell wrote:

Cathalio11 wrote:Aye aidan. I dont understand it. Theres no reason to do so. Surely that would be a regional english cup then?

Not at all, it's allowing more people to play, making it more representative and there is genuine rivalry between the two areas.

I'm sure Scotland would rather play England than Northern England.

Does that matter?

Cam, i dont doubt the rivalry. But as an irishman, playing southern england is ruining the whole tournement for me. Dont see any rivalry in that. Defeats the purpose of nations

England
Ireland - Cathalio11
Scotland - CircleBoy/Aidan
Wales - Deerhaunter99
India
ROTW

Captains next to nations. People make themselves known to the captains that they're eligible to play for that country due to being from their or footballs grandparent rule then captains will pick a 5 man squad for it.

At the end of the day, theres a month before this could happen, so everyone just chill out now.

of course it bloody matters Cam. The tournement is based on rivalry. It shouldnt be allowed, it shouldnt be up for democracy either. Its a nations cup, shouldnt be ruined by popular vote from people who worry that they wont get the 5 places being fought for by 40 people. Dont see arteta whining about spain coz he isnt good enough but is for anyother country

Cathalio11 wrote:of course it bloody matters Cam. The tournement is based on rivalry. It shouldnt be allowed, it shouldnt be up for democracy either. Its a nations cup, shouldnt be ruined by popular vote from people who worry that they wont get the 5 places being fought for by 40 people. Dont see arteta whining about spain coz he isnt good enough but is for anyother country

Most of us arguing for the split aren't arguing because we won't get in, it's just a matter of fairness mostly.

DONNY CB MY CAPTAIN - BENCHED.

england will naturally be close to peak in all major sports because of the population. Haxball shouldnt differ i feel. I understand that as ireland, we will play a brilliant england, but thats the thrill.
I prefer an A and B team, thats more fair than partition

Cathalio11 wrote:england will naturally be close to peak in all major sports because of the population. Haxball shouldnt differ i feel. I understand that as ireland, we will play a brilliant england, but thats the thrill.
I prefer an A and B team, thats more fair than partition

Well, I'd support an A and B team too, I just think North/South would be more interesting.

A lot of the arguments in the chat are that it'd be England v England, but when their country is playing one of them, it's not England to them at all...

And that makes sense.

It certainly doesnt make it more interesting at all. Well, it makes it interesting to england, but thats it. Basically takes england out of the equation where ireland, scotland and wales are concerned.

England
Ireland
Scotland
Wales
India
ROTW

6 nations, so that'll be split into 2 groups of 3. The top two will go through to the semi's and the winners will contest the final. Adding another England now will complicate a simple format. Leave it as it is and it'll work well.

WHAT ABOUT US MIDLANDERS?

You are all racists.

Donny, play each team once, twice or three times?

Cathalio11 wrote:Donny, play each team once, twice or three times?

Once like the World Cup. 2 games in the group stage for each team then 2 games for the eventual winners.

Could probably do all the group stage on a Thursday then the knockouts on a Sunday.

Head to head or goal difference?

I think opc should go for england anyways.

Jonny, mad, opc, socrates and an other.

Mad and opc have a good connection, instant chemistry.

Ghost wrote:WHAT ABOUT US MIDLANDERS?

You are all racists.

i think you'll find i brought you and soc up in chat x

My suggestions for other captains.

Scotland, circleboy.
England, mad or jonny.
Wales, deer.
India, goku.
ROW, vargo.

Cathalio11 wrote:Head to head or goal difference?

Goal difference. Head to head is the most retarded way to organise a table in the world.

I am indian aswell, so put me with my INDIA BRO's!!!!

If interested, I can play.

And Ireland

Whats wrong with splitting it up?
More people get to play as majority is English.
You guys need to remember this is haxball not the world cup.

Goku, the whole point of creating it was supposed to be for the country rivalry.

Irish, Scottish and Welsh don't want to play Northern England...

I know it is but then loads of people will miss out :/

I voted no, for some of the reasons Aidan cited. Looks like I'm in the minority though.

GOKU wrote:I know it is but then loads of people will miss out :/

So? Surely it's incentive to get better at the game? Earning that 'national' call up should be a proud moment for any haxballer.

This won't be happening until after this season finishes, so anyone interested should start earning a name for themselves in the league.

Ghost wrote:

GOKU wrote:I know it is but then loads of people will miss out :/

So? Surely it's incentive to get better at the game? Earning that 'national' call up should be a proud moment for any haxballer.

This won't be happening until after this season finishes, so anyone interested should start earning a name for themselves in the league.

Quite frankly there's too many 'undroppable' english players, theres literally no chance even for some top players to get the call-up.

Rach, ya cut.

This is a UK based forum with a handful of foreign talent (attaxsh0t, Vargo, Shiznit, etc). Most of us are English so I don't see the harm in separate North and South England teams, which is why I voted yes in the poll.

South would get the better squad of course

I love how there's been 46 posts when Donny has made it clear that he's not going to split England up.

THIS IS HOW APARTHEID STARTED.

Donny wrote:THIS IS HOW APARTHEID STARTED.

shut it whitey

The extremely large majority of the yes vote is English players thinking it will give them a better chance to get in the squad if they split it up all it is.

I know, right?

If you are that desperate to get in to a squad, just fake that one of your grandparents is from a different country.