Okay, I have an Idea that, instead of doing drafts (which are unfair), we should have a transfer market. Each captain will receive £100m. With this, they have to buy exactly 3 players, thus resulting in them managing balances and automatically creating a value for each and every player.

Smiley,Donny,Cath,Jonny,Socrates,Circleboy each get £100m, and they have to bid for players. Naturally, somebody like Maddude will have higher bids than someone like me, therefore the captains will have to evaluate how they're going to spend money and it would result in a value for each and every player.

It will KIND OFwork (in terms of player Value) how Fifa 11 Ultimate Team works.

What does everyone think?

Explain how you'd value a player? And what would happen if you overspent yet you needed another player?

I like it, but how will the auction of players work exactly?

Also not everyone would get valued as people would want to buy much the same players and then people will want more expensive players and value players higher.

That just wouldn't happen. Lets say Cath bid 70m on Maddude, 10m on me, and 20m on you, and he got neither, he would eventually have to by the reserves (either for free or a fixed minimum price). However, this would mean he would have 100m to spend in the transfer deadline where captains can directly trade with other captains without the need for bidding.

So the auction would be done in stages of bidding? After each captain has bid on 3 different players, the captain who bid the highest for each player gets that player, then if there are some players left who were not bidded on, a new round of bidding starts on those players? Makes sense.

The exact details of bidding I've not yet worked out, but that's just a small detail that can easily be solved.

thor91 wrote:So the auction would be done in stages of bidding? After each captain has bid on 3 different players, the captain who bid the highest for each player gets that player, then if there are some players left who were not bidded on, a new round of bidding starts on those players? Makes sense.

Could just do:

Best players are bidded on as the first player and you can spend £40-65m on them.
Next set of players are bidded on as the second player and you can spend £20-40m on them.
Next set of players are bidded on as the third player and you can spend £5-20.

Just an example

Could just stick to trades like the MLS do, where two Captains agree on switching players, say half way through the season and at the end of the season... etc.

I like the idea,but i think its gonna take long lol:P

Could work like this:

Maddude makes a Megathread, with each PLAYER and the highest bid for the player, and each CAPTAIN and the money they have. Once a CAPTAIN bids on a player, the value of that bid is taken from the CAPTAINS purse. If the CAPTAIN is outbid, the money goes back into the CAPTAINS purse. Each PLAYERS highest bid is visible to everyone, and so is the CAPTAINS purse (I think thats the fairest way).

At the last day, CAPTAINS can directly trade for PLAYERS through trades + Cash. If cash is left over once season starts, we could have like a 'Winter transfer window' half way through the season, to change players that don't work well in the team. Money can also buy things like referee bribes etc (lol kidding, but we could think of things that you could buy with the money, cant think of any examples now but I hope what you mean.)

What the MegaThread could look like:

Players:

NavJuve : Highest Bid - £15,000,000
Maddude : Highest Bid - £45,000,000
Rising-star : Highest Bid - £20,000,000
F1 : Highest Bid - £35,000,000

Captains:

Cath : Purse - £43,500,000
Socrates : Purse - £2,000,000

Now Cath knows he has more money than Socrates, so he can up his bids etc, this would work better with more captains + players, I think its a good system. Now, Lets say, the £20,000,00 bid on Rising is Socrates' (There would be no way to find this out in the real window however), Say Cath put in a £25,000,000 bid, that would result in the thread looking like this:

Players:

Rising-star : Highest Bid - £25,000,000

Captains:

Cath : Purse - £18,500,000
Socrates : Purse - £22,000,000

Note: Only relevant Captains/Players have been written down.

Now this will allow Socrates to bid on another player, ie, NavJuve. Now imagine this with 6 or so captains and 30 or so players. It would be alot more interesting.

Maddude could update the thread every hour or so or maybe every time period on a given day, ie, :Every 13:00, 17:00, 21:00 every day. Sorry for the long read, but what does everyone think?

NavJuve wrote:Could work like this:

Maddude makes a Megathread, with each PLAYER and the highest bid for the player, and each CAPTAIN and the money they have. Once a CAPTAIN bids on a player, the value of that bid is taken from the CAPTAINS purse. If the CAPTAIN is outbid, the money goes back into the CAPTAINS purse. Each PLAYERS highest bid is visible to everyone, and so is the CAPTAINS purse (I think thats the fairest way).

At the last day, CAPTAINS can directly trade for PLAYERS through trades + Cash. If cash is left over once season starts, we could have like a 'Winter transfer window' half way through the season, to change players that don't work well in the team. Money can also buy things like referee bribes etc (lol kidding, but we could think of things that you could buy with the money, cant think of any examples now but I hope what you mean.)

What the MegaThread could look like:

Players:

NavJuve : Highest Bid - £15,000,000
Maddude : Highest Bid - £45,000,000
Rising-star : Highest Bid - £20,000,000
F1 : Highest Bid - £35,000,000

Captains:

Cath : Purse - £43,500,000
Socrates : Purse - £2,000,000

Now Cath knows he has more money than Socrates, so he can up his bids etc, this would work better with more captains + players, I think its a good system. Now, Lets say, the £20,000,00 bid on Rising is Socrates' (There would be no way to find this out in the real window however), Say Cath put in a £25,000,000 bid, that would result in the thread looking like this:

Players:

Rising-star : Highest Bid - £25,000,000

Captains:

Cath : Purse - £18,500,000
Socrates : Purse - £22,000,000

Note: Only relevant Captains/Players have been written down.

Now this will allow Socrates to bid on another player, ie, NavJuve. Now imagine this with 6 or so captains and 30 or so players. It would be alot more interesting.

Maddude could update the thread every hour or so or maybe every time period on a given day, ie, :Every 13:00, 17:00, 21:00 every day. Sorry for the long read, but what does everyone think?

So the captains would pm me their bid so no-one knows who bid on who?

Maddude wrote:

So the captains would pm me their bid so no-one knows who bid on who?

Thats what I'm thinking right now, It would work best imo, what do you think?

So I would have to wait till every captain has bidded and then update it otherwise it would be unfair right?

Maddude wrote:So I would have to wait till every captain has bidded and then update it otherwise it would be unfair right?

Not really, as long as you specify times like 13:00 17:00 and 21:00, they will know to go on and bid or see whats going on, plus sometimes bidding isn't always the best thing, I think the plan works really well, hardest part is giving value to "money", but that is doable in ways like letting the market value players and giving the captains the ability to buy perks with money?

Every player's value can be £1m and each team can have a £10m or a £20m budget, then players get bidded on and the highest bid of the player would be his/her new value. the mod can pm the captains if the player they bidded for recieved a higher bid from other teams and certain times would be set for biding so its easier and/or it could be done on the chat at a certain time/day.. i think it would work out well and its a bit more exciting also.. don't know if anyone is considering this though or if this is idea is being forgotten..

Tbh this is a better idea than drafting tbh, but make it simpler and a value on players like you did for fifa ratings NON BIASED!!!!!! then this should be a good idea and fair for everyone

Wont Work.

You could do assess each player that was in a team before end of season and put them in price ranges but all free agents are 20mil but once you're signed its up to your cap to decide price or something like that

I say how ever much the player is worth should be decided naturally by the bids they get, whoever plays fifa ultimate team will know what im talking about.. everyone is worth a minimum price of £1m or 0, theres no buy now price so you bid and wait till the auction window or transfer window is closed, or the time set by the player or the mod is finished.. for example,

There's a main thread with the people who are available for sale or the free agents are listed:
MoMo
Ovoxo
Aidan
Equinox

These are all worth £1m each. One team bids for Aidan: £1m, another bids £2m.. and another and who ever bids the highest gets him before the end of the time set by aidans team or the specific times set by the mods.
this gives more control for the captains and more opportunities for everyone to play imo..

Also theres no need for complicated price tags and values set by people.. everything should be from scratch and the budget of the teams can be £10m or £20m, that should be enough.

but really money will mean nothing to people so there would be no incentive to sell say i was offered 10 million for a player i accepted then i went to buy a player i couldnt as no one would be willing to sell for fake money

money means players, the more money you have the more you can bid on a player of a team even if their not for sale? or the more you can outbid other teams who want the same player as you? that would be exciting..

the thing about money should be kept simple, you have a 10mil budget and no players as the captain of your oficial team, everyone is worth 1mill at the start and everyone bids for the players they want in their team once they get their players they can just keep the money and later on if one of their players is basically not comming in or theyr not doin well, they can buy a player or trade a player from other teams, maybe teams that are not doing well at that time of the league, like want away players.

Aidan wrote:but really money will mean nothing to people so there would be no incentive to sell say i was offered 10 million for a player i accepted then i went to buy a player i couldnt as no one would be willing to sell for fake money

The incentive is money to buy a different player.

Most people wont sell though i wouldnt sell for money

Can't a captain value his own players how he wishes? Then another captain would have to meet that value in order to sign that player.

Wow, wouldn't this be a perfect world.

It is virtually impossible to create a finance system successfully. Finance is one of the most complicated things in the world and things would just spin out of control and not make any economic sense in this league.

Yes, it would be great to have, but it can't work.

The value of money will never be fixed in the league it would easily run into a dead end. Simple as, can not work. Just impossible.

Money is all about needs and wants. There is no needs in this league so therefore, what is the point of money? When you sell, there is no expenditure on kits and overheads etc, so there's really no point.

Aidan raised a fair point. He sells a player for a whooping amount of money, but it won't really matter because nobody else would have the same incentive. I certainly wouldn't.

if the player is signed by the captain and he is already in the team, his value should be the same as the value he was bought for or a fixed £1m if he was a free agent, its a possiblity that the captain can set the value of his player but only with the clear consent of the player as well, if a player is wanted by another club and the captain doesn't want to sell him/her, then the player and the captain can nagotiate on setting a fixed price of either £3m, £5m or even £7m if the budget is £20m per team. theres no random price bids if the player is signed already but theres auction if the player is unsigned..

for example, if Aidan is a free agent and 3 different teams want him they can have a bidding battle from £1m upto however far the teams want to go at it

but

if Cathalio11 is signed by a team and not the captain, the teams can choose from 3 or 4 options:

A £3m Bid

A £5m Bid

A £7m Bid

or a non-rejectable £15million bid

The selling team have a choice of rejection for the first 3 bids but not the fourth,

once a player has been sold for 3m,5m,5,7m or 15m, that becomes their new value and thus theres no £20m £35m £50m or £80m values..

IT CAN WORK!

Right, this is getting way too complex, as it was always going to be. Can we just dismiss the idea and move on?

its not really complex, its just a system. and the prices are fixed so there's no complications..
feed me can become much more exciting and more interesting like this and i dont think anyone else has done it so it would be mad.. its worth a try and if we keep everything clear and there's a clear policy then it would be consistent aswell so.. its just a matter of how many people like it because it is possible.. .. ..

I have to agree with Cathalio. This will only work (if at all) for a while. It's already spinning out of control in this thread imo.

But what if, as well as $100m every captain gets 3 magical gold coins which allows them to steal players undetected for 2 games at a time... and 1 silver coin which allows them to play with 4 on the pitch undetected...

Nope, wouldn't work very well plus it's too much effort and we don't do effort around here, it's one of our rules.

Maddude wrote:Nope, wouldn't work very well plus it's too much effort and we don't do effort around here, it's one of our rules.

This man knows. Effort is our nemesis.


Besides, the trade & free agency system we have now works perfectly for us so why try and make things overly complex?

okeey.. would be fun tho... esp for the competitions, imagine right now soccerettes isn't doing well atm then a team like bombay badboys comes in with a non rejectable £15mill bid for socrates and then go on to win the league.. but obv its gonna take some effort.. it wouldn't spin out of control if there's options that you tick on the bids instead of figures.. its up 2 u lot anyway whenever you feel like it..

Ghost wrote:

Maddude wrote:Nope, wouldn't work very well plus it's too much effort and we don't do effort around here, it's one of our rules.

This man knows. Effort is our nemesis.


Besides, the trade & free agency system we have now works perfectly for us so why try and make things overly complex?

I didn't even know about this that you could trade.. mb then.. i thought you could only just sign players in the draft and then u stick with that team.

Yeah we had two trade windows during the season, and captains have pretty much had free reign in cutting and signing free agents so far. Free agency is going to be much more restricted for season 3 though, but to compensate for the new restrictions, trades are going to be allowed for all season in season 3.

Thats good, whats the plan for season 3 how will there me more restrictions?